Hi,
I just downloaded Xailer ver 2.0. My first impressions are that Xailer
appears to be better than Xbase++ v1.9 in terms of the functionality of the
classes. ( I have used only the Tedit classes of Xailer. I liked the event
onExit of Tedit. On returning .f. the focus stays on the control, unlike
xbase++ where the control is shifted to another control)
As I am new to Xailer can anybody help me choose between the two
products? How stable is Xailer compared to Xbase++ ?
The immediate usage would be to convert my clipper 5.2 apps to win32 gui.
Ashvin Adodra
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New Xailer user (Xailer v/s Xbase++)
-
Ashvin Adodra
- Mensajes: 4
- Registrado: Dom May 09, 2010 12:14 pm
-
g.s.rogers
- Mensajes: 202
- Registrado: Dom Feb 17, 2008 3:35 am
New Xailer user (Xailer v/s Xbase++)
Ashvin,
I looked at Xbase++ over a year ago, so I can't say anything about the
current version. I will say that I find Xailer to be solid and easy to use.
It's documentation is better than Visual xHarbour (which I also own).
Conversion of a Clipper app to a Windows GUI is not easy, but certainly made
easier with Xailer's datasets. Technical support has been responsive and
accurate and the product seems very stable.
Hope that helps.
Gary Rogers
"Ashvin Adodra" <microlink@vsnl.com> wrote in message
news:4be68bee$[email=1@svctag-j7w3v3j....]1@svctag-j7w3v3j....[/email]
> Hi,
> I just downloaded Xailer ver 2.0. My first impressions are that Xailer
> appears to be better than Xbase++ v1.9 in terms of the functionality of
> the classes. ( I have used only the Tedit classes of Xailer. I liked the
> event onExit of Tedit. On returning .f. the focus stays on the control,
> unlike xbase++ where the control is shifted to another control)
>
> As I am new to Xailer can anybody help me choose between the two
> products? How stable is Xailer compared to Xbase++ ?
>
> The immediate usage would be to convert my clipper 5.2 apps to win32 gui.
>
> Ashvin Adodra
>
I looked at Xbase++ over a year ago, so I can't say anything about the
current version. I will say that I find Xailer to be solid and easy to use.
It's documentation is better than Visual xHarbour (which I also own).
Conversion of a Clipper app to a Windows GUI is not easy, but certainly made
easier with Xailer's datasets. Technical support has been responsive and
accurate and the product seems very stable.
Hope that helps.
Gary Rogers
"Ashvin Adodra" <microlink@vsnl.com> wrote in message
news:4be68bee$[email=1@svctag-j7w3v3j....]1@svctag-j7w3v3j....[/email]
> Hi,
> I just downloaded Xailer ver 2.0. My first impressions are that Xailer
> appears to be better than Xbase++ v1.9 in terms of the functionality of
> the classes. ( I have used only the Tedit classes of Xailer. I liked the
> event onExit of Tedit. On returning .f. the focus stays on the control,
> unlike xbase++ where the control is shifted to another control)
>
> As I am new to Xailer can anybody help me choose between the two
> products? How stable is Xailer compared to Xbase++ ?
>
> The immediate usage would be to convert my clipper 5.2 apps to win32 gui.
>
> Ashvin Adodra
>
-
Ashvin Adodra
- Mensajes: 4
- Registrado: Dom May 09, 2010 12:14 pm
New Xailer user (Xailer v/s Xbase++)
Gary,
Thanks for sharing your experience. Can you tell me
1) if it is possible, like Xbase++, to have mixed code, I mean CUI and GUI,
and do gradual conversion?
2) Is it possible to have user defined forms with default controls, which
can be used in the IDE. For example I would like todefine a form for entry
module with necessary pushbuttons for (Add,delete records) and the necessary
logic. Then this form can be used from IDE and the edit controls and
database controls for data entry can be dropped on this form.
Ashvin
"Gary S. Rogers" <g.s.rogers@att.net> wrote in message
news:[email=4bec6669@svctag-j7w3v3j....]4bec6669@svctag-j7w3v3j....[/email]
> Ashvin,
>
> I looked at Xbase++ over a year ago, so I can't say anything about the
> current version. I will say that I find Xailer to be solid and easy to
> use. It's documentation is better than Visual xHarbour (which I also own).
> Conversion of a Clipper app to a Windows GUI is not easy, but certainly
> made easier with Xailer's datasets. Technical support has been responsive
> and accurate and the product seems very stable.
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> Gary Rogers
>
> "Ashvin Adodra" <microlink@vsnl.com> wrote in message
> news:4be68bee$[email=1@svctag-j7w3v3j....]1@svctag-j7w3v3j....[/email]
>> Hi,
>> I just downloaded Xailer ver 2.0. My first impressions are that Xailer
>> appears to be better than Xbase++ v1.9 in terms of the functionality of
>> the classes. ( I have used only the Tedit classes of Xailer. I liked the
>> event onExit of Tedit. On returning .f. the focus stays on the control,
>> unlike xbase++ where the control is shifted to another control)
>>
>> As I am new to Xailer can anybody help me choose between the two
>> products? How stable is Xailer compared to Xbase++ ?
>>
>> The immediate usage would be to convert my clipper 5.2 apps to win32 gui.
>>
>> Ashvin Adodra
>>
Thanks for sharing your experience. Can you tell me
1) if it is possible, like Xbase++, to have mixed code, I mean CUI and GUI,
and do gradual conversion?
2) Is it possible to have user defined forms with default controls, which
can be used in the IDE. For example I would like todefine a form for entry
module with necessary pushbuttons for (Add,delete records) and the necessary
logic. Then this form can be used from IDE and the edit controls and
database controls for data entry can be dropped on this form.
Ashvin
"Gary S. Rogers" <g.s.rogers@att.net> wrote in message
news:[email=4bec6669@svctag-j7w3v3j....]4bec6669@svctag-j7w3v3j....[/email]
> Ashvin,
>
> I looked at Xbase++ over a year ago, so I can't say anything about the
> current version. I will say that I find Xailer to be solid and easy to
> use. It's documentation is better than Visual xHarbour (which I also own).
> Conversion of a Clipper app to a Windows GUI is not easy, but certainly
> made easier with Xailer's datasets. Technical support has been responsive
> and accurate and the product seems very stable.
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> Gary Rogers
>
> "Ashvin Adodra" <microlink@vsnl.com> wrote in message
> news:4be68bee$[email=1@svctag-j7w3v3j....]1@svctag-j7w3v3j....[/email]
>> Hi,
>> I just downloaded Xailer ver 2.0. My first impressions are that Xailer
>> appears to be better than Xbase++ v1.9 in terms of the functionality of
>> the classes. ( I have used only the Tedit classes of Xailer. I liked the
>> event onExit of Tedit. On returning .f. the focus stays on the control,
>> unlike xbase++ where the control is shifted to another control)
>>
>> As I am new to Xailer can anybody help me choose between the two
>> products? How stable is Xailer compared to Xbase++ ?
>>
>> The immediate usage would be to convert my clipper 5.2 apps to win32 gui.
>>
>> Ashvin Adodra
>>
-
g.s.rogers
- Mensajes: 202
- Registrado: Dom Feb 17, 2008 3:35 am
New Xailer user (Xailer v/s Xbase++)
Ashvin,
Maybe other users (or tech support) could speak more definitively to these
questions, however, I will give you my experience.
(1) I see no current way in Xailer to have a "hybrid" approach where one can
have a console application calling Windows forms. I have a forum question
posed of this very nature as it was apparently possible in Xailer 1.9, but
not 2.x versions. I've looked at various graphic libraries, but everything I
have looked at that is GUI, but uses the old @ say or @ get console
coordinates to reuse Clipper code looks horrible to me. The app ends up
looking like the worst of the two worlds -- not quite a console appearance,
but definitely not an up-to-date GUI appearance.
(2) You can build a default form with everything that form should have on
it, and then simply clone it by copying it to a new form/prg file. I believe
this can be done from the IDE.
Gary
"Ashvin Adodra" <microlink@vsnl.com> wrote in message
news:4bed8148$[email=1@svctag-j7w3v3j....]1@svctag-j7w3v3j....[/email]
> Gary,
> Thanks for sharing your experience. Can you tell me
> 1) if it is possible, like Xbase++, to have mixed code, I mean CUI and
> GUI, and do gradual conversion?
> 2) Is it possible to have user defined forms with default controls, which
> can be used in the IDE. For example I would like todefine a form for entry
> module with necessary pushbuttons for (Add,delete records) and the
> necessary logic. Then this form can be used from IDE and the edit controls
> and database controls for data entry can be dropped on this form.
> Ashvin
>
>
> "Gary S. Rogers" <g.s.rogers@att.net> wrote in message
> news:[email=4bec6669@svctag-j7w3v3j....]4bec6669@svctag-j7w3v3j....[/email]
>> Ashvin,
>>
>> I looked at Xbase++ over a year ago, so I can't say anything about the
>> current version. I will say that I find Xailer to be solid and easy to
>> use. It's documentation is better than Visual xHarbour (which I also
>> own). Conversion of a Clipper app to a Windows GUI is not easy, but
>> certainly made easier with Xailer's datasets. Technical support has been
>> responsive and accurate and the product seems very stable.
>>
>> Hope that helps.
>>
>> Gary Rogers
>>
>> "Ashvin Adodra" <microlink@vsnl.com> wrote in message
>> news:4be68bee$[email=1@svctag-j7w3v3j....]1@svctag-j7w3v3j....[/email]
>>> Hi,
>>> I just downloaded Xailer ver 2.0. My first impressions are that
>>> Xailer appears to be better than Xbase++ v1.9 in terms of the
>>> functionality of the classes. ( I have used only the Tedit classes of
>>> Xailer. I liked the event onExit of Tedit. On returning .f. the focus
>>> stays on the control, unlike xbase++ where the control is shifted to
>>> another control)
>>>
>>> As I am new to Xailer can anybody help me choose between the two
>>> products? How stable is Xailer compared to Xbase++ ?
>>>
>>> The immediate usage would be to convert my clipper 5.2 apps to win32
>>> gui.
>>>
>>> Ashvin Adodra
>>>
>
>
Maybe other users (or tech support) could speak more definitively to these
questions, however, I will give you my experience.
(1) I see no current way in Xailer to have a "hybrid" approach where one can
have a console application calling Windows forms. I have a forum question
posed of this very nature as it was apparently possible in Xailer 1.9, but
not 2.x versions. I've looked at various graphic libraries, but everything I
have looked at that is GUI, but uses the old @ say or @ get console
coordinates to reuse Clipper code looks horrible to me. The app ends up
looking like the worst of the two worlds -- not quite a console appearance,
but definitely not an up-to-date GUI appearance.
(2) You can build a default form with everything that form should have on
it, and then simply clone it by copying it to a new form/prg file. I believe
this can be done from the IDE.
Gary
"Ashvin Adodra" <microlink@vsnl.com> wrote in message
news:4bed8148$[email=1@svctag-j7w3v3j....]1@svctag-j7w3v3j....[/email]
> Gary,
> Thanks for sharing your experience. Can you tell me
> 1) if it is possible, like Xbase++, to have mixed code, I mean CUI and
> GUI, and do gradual conversion?
> 2) Is it possible to have user defined forms with default controls, which
> can be used in the IDE. For example I would like todefine a form for entry
> module with necessary pushbuttons for (Add,delete records) and the
> necessary logic. Then this form can be used from IDE and the edit controls
> and database controls for data entry can be dropped on this form.
> Ashvin
>
>
> "Gary S. Rogers" <g.s.rogers@att.net> wrote in message
> news:[email=4bec6669@svctag-j7w3v3j....]4bec6669@svctag-j7w3v3j....[/email]
>> Ashvin,
>>
>> I looked at Xbase++ over a year ago, so I can't say anything about the
>> current version. I will say that I find Xailer to be solid and easy to
>> use. It's documentation is better than Visual xHarbour (which I also
>> own). Conversion of a Clipper app to a Windows GUI is not easy, but
>> certainly made easier with Xailer's datasets. Technical support has been
>> responsive and accurate and the product seems very stable.
>>
>> Hope that helps.
>>
>> Gary Rogers
>>
>> "Ashvin Adodra" <microlink@vsnl.com> wrote in message
>> news:4be68bee$[email=1@svctag-j7w3v3j....]1@svctag-j7w3v3j....[/email]
>>> Hi,
>>> I just downloaded Xailer ver 2.0. My first impressions are that
>>> Xailer appears to be better than Xbase++ v1.9 in terms of the
>>> functionality of the classes. ( I have used only the Tedit classes of
>>> Xailer. I liked the event onExit of Tedit. On returning .f. the focus
>>> stays on the control, unlike xbase++ where the control is shifted to
>>> another control)
>>>
>>> As I am new to Xailer can anybody help me choose between the two
>>> products? How stable is Xailer compared to Xbase++ ?
>>>
>>> The immediate usage would be to convert my clipper 5.2 apps to win32
>>> gui.
>>>
>>> Ashvin Adodra
>>>
>
>
-
Ashvin Adodra
- Mensajes: 4
- Registrado: Dom May 09, 2010 12:14 pm
New Xailer user (Xailer v/s Xbase++)
Gary,
Thanks again for sharing your views.
I agree with you on "hybrid" approach. Currently I am trying to modify my
Clipper code by removing the @ say, gets and implanting correspoding
controls. In the process I have come the conclusion that instead of taking
Clipper (procedural) code as the starting point and tying to convert it to
gui, it would be better to start with a proper gui framework and try and
introduce the clipper code into it. I my opinion "hybrid" can best be used
for learing the event based programming. If one starts with clipper code and
tries to convert to gui, one ends up with a messy code. From procedural to
event based conversion you end up with your procedural logic being folded
inside out.
On point 2, I read in the forum somewhere that in Xailer ver 2 , one can
create DLL containing the code (class) to create the form, and this form can
be made available in IDE and a custom form.
Regards
Ashvin
"Gary S. Rogers" <g.s.rogers@att.net> wrote in message
news:4bedae4c$[email=1@svctag-j7w3v3j....]1@svctag-j7w3v3j....[/email]
> Ashvin,
>
> Maybe other users (or tech support) could speak more definitively to these
> questions, however, I will give you my experience.
>
> (1) I see no current way in Xailer to have a "hybrid" approach where one
> can have a console application calling Windows forms. I have a forum
> question posed of this very nature as it was apparently possible in Xailer
> 1.9, but not 2.x versions. I've looked at various graphic libraries, but
> everything I have looked at that is GUI, but uses the old @ say or @ get
> console coordinates to reuse Clipper code looks horrible to me. The app
> ends up looking like the worst of the two worlds -- not quite a console
> appearance, but definitely not an up-to-date GUI appearance.
>
> (2) You can build a default form with everything that form should have on
> it, and then simply clone it by copying it to a new form/prg file. I
> believe this can be done from the IDE.
>
> Gary
>
> "Ashvin Adodra" <microlink@vsnl.com> wrote in message
> news:4bed8148$[email=1@svctag-j7w3v3j....]1@svctag-j7w3v3j....[/email]
>> Gary,
>> Thanks for sharing your experience. Can you tell me
>> 1) if it is possible, like Xbase++, to have mixed code, I mean CUI and
>> GUI, and do gradual conversion?
>> 2) Is it possible to have user defined forms with default controls, which
>> can be used in the IDE. For example I would like todefine a form for
>> entry module with necessary pushbuttons for (Add,delete records) and the
>> necessary logic. Then this form can be used from IDE and the edit
>> controls and database controls for data entry can be dropped on this
>> form.
>> Ashvin
>>
>>
>> "Gary S. Rogers" <g.s.rogers@att.net> wrote in message
>> news:[email=4bec6669@svctag-j7w3v3j....]4bec6669@svctag-j7w3v3j....[/email]
>>> Ashvin,
>>>
>>> I looked at Xbase++ over a year ago, so I can't say anything about the
>>> current version. I will say that I find Xailer to be solid and easy to
>>> use. It's documentation is better than Visual xHarbour (which I also
>>> own). Conversion of a Clipper app to a Windows GUI is not easy, but
>>> certainly made easier with Xailer's datasets. Technical support has been
>>> responsive and accurate and the product seems very stable.
>>>
>>> Hope that helps.
>>>
>>> Gary Rogers
>>>
>>> "Ashvin Adodra" <microlink@vsnl.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4be68bee$[email=1@svctag-j7w3v3j....]1@svctag-j7w3v3j....[/email]
>>>> Hi,
>>>> I just downloaded Xailer ver 2.0. My first impressions are that
>>>> Xailer appears to be better than Xbase++ v1.9 in terms of the
>>>> functionality of the classes. ( I have used only the Tedit classes of
>>>> Xailer. I liked the event onExit of Tedit. On returning .f. the focus
>>>> stays on the control, unlike xbase++ where the control is shifted to
>>>> another control)
>>>>
>>>> As I am new to Xailer can anybody help me choose between the two
>>>> products? How stable is Xailer compared to Xbase++ ?
>>>>
>>>> The immediate usage would be to convert my clipper 5.2 apps to win32
>>>> gui.
>>>>
>>>> Ashvin Adodra
>>>>
>>
>>
Thanks again for sharing your views.
I agree with you on "hybrid" approach. Currently I am trying to modify my
Clipper code by removing the @ say, gets and implanting correspoding
controls. In the process I have come the conclusion that instead of taking
Clipper (procedural) code as the starting point and tying to convert it to
gui, it would be better to start with a proper gui framework and try and
introduce the clipper code into it. I my opinion "hybrid" can best be used
for learing the event based programming. If one starts with clipper code and
tries to convert to gui, one ends up with a messy code. From procedural to
event based conversion you end up with your procedural logic being folded
inside out.
On point 2, I read in the forum somewhere that in Xailer ver 2 , one can
create DLL containing the code (class) to create the form, and this form can
be made available in IDE and a custom form.
Regards
Ashvin
"Gary S. Rogers" <g.s.rogers@att.net> wrote in message
news:4bedae4c$[email=1@svctag-j7w3v3j....]1@svctag-j7w3v3j....[/email]
> Ashvin,
>
> Maybe other users (or tech support) could speak more definitively to these
> questions, however, I will give you my experience.
>
> (1) I see no current way in Xailer to have a "hybrid" approach where one
> can have a console application calling Windows forms. I have a forum
> question posed of this very nature as it was apparently possible in Xailer
> 1.9, but not 2.x versions. I've looked at various graphic libraries, but
> everything I have looked at that is GUI, but uses the old @ say or @ get
> console coordinates to reuse Clipper code looks horrible to me. The app
> ends up looking like the worst of the two worlds -- not quite a console
> appearance, but definitely not an up-to-date GUI appearance.
>
> (2) You can build a default form with everything that form should have on
> it, and then simply clone it by copying it to a new form/prg file. I
> believe this can be done from the IDE.
>
> Gary
>
> "Ashvin Adodra" <microlink@vsnl.com> wrote in message
> news:4bed8148$[email=1@svctag-j7w3v3j....]1@svctag-j7w3v3j....[/email]
>> Gary,
>> Thanks for sharing your experience. Can you tell me
>> 1) if it is possible, like Xbase++, to have mixed code, I mean CUI and
>> GUI, and do gradual conversion?
>> 2) Is it possible to have user defined forms with default controls, which
>> can be used in the IDE. For example I would like todefine a form for
>> entry module with necessary pushbuttons for (Add,delete records) and the
>> necessary logic. Then this form can be used from IDE and the edit
>> controls and database controls for data entry can be dropped on this
>> form.
>> Ashvin
>>
>>
>> "Gary S. Rogers" <g.s.rogers@att.net> wrote in message
>> news:[email=4bec6669@svctag-j7w3v3j....]4bec6669@svctag-j7w3v3j....[/email]
>>> Ashvin,
>>>
>>> I looked at Xbase++ over a year ago, so I can't say anything about the
>>> current version. I will say that I find Xailer to be solid and easy to
>>> use. It's documentation is better than Visual xHarbour (which I also
>>> own). Conversion of a Clipper app to a Windows GUI is not easy, but
>>> certainly made easier with Xailer's datasets. Technical support has been
>>> responsive and accurate and the product seems very stable.
>>>
>>> Hope that helps.
>>>
>>> Gary Rogers
>>>
>>> "Ashvin Adodra" <microlink@vsnl.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4be68bee$[email=1@svctag-j7w3v3j....]1@svctag-j7w3v3j....[/email]
>>>> Hi,
>>>> I just downloaded Xailer ver 2.0. My first impressions are that
>>>> Xailer appears to be better than Xbase++ v1.9 in terms of the
>>>> functionality of the classes. ( I have used only the Tedit classes of
>>>> Xailer. I liked the event onExit of Tedit. On returning .f. the focus
>>>> stays on the control, unlike xbase++ where the control is shifted to
>>>> another control)
>>>>
>>>> As I am new to Xailer can anybody help me choose between the two
>>>> products? How stable is Xailer compared to Xbase++ ?
>>>>
>>>> The immediate usage would be to convert my clipper 5.2 apps to win32
>>>> gui.
>>>>
>>>> Ashvin Adodra
>>>>
>>
>>